Ramsdell Sweet
AppleRamsdell Sweet
Origin / History
Origin Connecticut. The variety was first brought to notice by being exhibited before the Massachusetts Horticultural Society by the Rev. H. S. Ramsdell of Thompson, Connecticut, about 1838, and was named "Ramsdell's Red Sweeting" in compliment to him. Downing described it in 1845 under the name Ramsdell's Sweeting, but in the 1869 edition he described it under the name English Sweet, the name previously recognized by Elliott in 1854 — though Beach notes the authority for that change is unknown. In 1862 it was entered on the catalogue of the American Pomological Society under the name Ramsdell Sweet, which name was retained in that catalogue thereafter. It was also commonly catalogued by nurserymen as Ramsdell or Ramsdell Sweet (Beach 1905). Its culture is confined to the East and North (Hedrick 1922). Elliott (1865) classed the variety as "Foreign."
The variety was once popular because of the handsome red color and good quality of the apples, but it has been valued more for the large crops it bears, as a showy sweet apple for market, profitable for stock feeding, and superior for cooking (Downing 1900). Beach (1905) considered it an attractive red apple of good size and very good quality in season from midautumn to midwinter, but observed that in many cases the tree is not satisfactorily productive and the fruit is not uniform in size and quality, so that there is considerable loss from unmarketable fruit; he did not recommend it for commercial planting in New York. Hedrick (1922) likewise judged the trees not fruitful enough to give the variety value for commercial plantations.
Tree
Tree medium size, vigorous (Beach gives "vigorous or moderately vigorous"); growth habit upright, open, growing remarkably straight and upright with many branches (Warder 1867; Downing 1900; Beach 1905; Budd-Hansen 1914; Hedrick 1922). Comes early into bearing and is an early and heavy/prolific bearer (Elliott 1865; Warder 1867; Downing 1900; Beach 1905; Budd-Hansen 1914). Downing (1900) states it "yields every year enormously"; Beach (1905) qualifies that it yields some fruit annually or nearly annually, but is in many cases not satisfactorily productive.
Twigs long, curved, moderately stout, with medium internodes; young shoots clear reddish brown, slightly grayish (Downing 1900), slender and reddish (Warder 1867). Bark brown, streaked with heavy scarf-skin, slightly pubescent near tips. Lenticels scattering, small to medium, oval, raised. Buds medium size, plump, obtuse, free, pubescent (Beach 1905). Foliage rather light green (Warder 1867).
Fruit
Size. Above medium, sometimes nearly large; medium to large; somewhat variable in size (Elliott 1865; Warder 1867; Downing 1900; Thomas 1903; Beach 1905; Budd-Hansen 1914; Hedrick 1922). Downing (1900) notes that in weight the apple is light. Lowther (1914) gives size as medium.
Form. Oblong, regularly shaped, tapering slightly towards the eye (Elliott 1865; Downing 1900); oblong, regular, truncated (Warder 1867); oblong, obscurely conical, regular (Thomas 1903); oblong conic to roundish conic, often somewhat elliptical and faintly ribbed, fairly uniform in shape (Beach 1905); oblong, slightly tapering, truncated (Budd-Hansen 1914); oblong-conic or round-conic, often elliptical and faintly ribbed, uniform in shape (Hedrick 1922). Lowther (1914) alone gives the form as "oblate," which conflicts with all other sources describing it as oblong/conic.
Stem. Short (Elliott 1865; Downing 1900; Thomas 1903); medium to long, often red (Warder 1867); short to medium in length, moderately slender, often red (Beach 1905); short, medium, or long, often red (Budd-Hansen 1914); short, slender, often red (Hedrick 1922).
Cavity. Narrow, angular, often with a fleshy knob (Elliott 1865); deep, acute, wavy (Warder 1867); acuminate, deep, rather broad, quite symmetrical, often with some stellate russet (Beach 1905); regular, deep, acute, with large stellate russet patch (Budd-Hansen 1914); acuminate, deep, broad, symmetrical, often russeted (Hedrick 1922).
Calyx / Eye. Calyx with short stiff segments (Elliott 1865); eye small to medium, closed (Warder 1867); calyx small to medium, closed or slightly open, lobes narrow, acute to acuminate (Beach 1905); calyx half open, segments erect convergent (Budd-Hansen 1914); calyx small, closed or open, lobes narrow, abrupt (Hedrick 1922).
Basin. Round, regular (Elliott 1865); rather deep, abrupt, wavy (Warder 1867); rather deep, even (Thomas 1903); rather small, sometimes oblique, medium to rather deep, narrow to medium in width, abrupt, faintly furrowed and wrinkled (Beach 1905); narrow, abrupt, nearly smooth (Budd-Hansen 1914); faintly furrowed and wrinkled (Hedrick 1922).
Skin / Color. Green and rough in the shade; dark red dotted with fawn-colored specks, and covered with a blue bloom in the sun (Elliott 1865). Surface smooth, yellow, hidden by bright red, mixed and striped (Warder 1867). Dark rich red with a blue bloom (Thomas 1903). Skin thin, rather tough, smooth, yellow nearly overspread with attractive dark red, or entirely red with obscure splashes and stripes of carmine, overspread with blue bloom; prevailing effect red, attractive (Beach 1905). Surface smooth, yellow, almost wholly covered with solid dark red, with indistinct stripes and splashes, with blue bloom (Budd-Hansen 1914). Skin thin, tough, smooth, yellow, overspread with dark red, with obscure splashes and stripes of carmine, overspread with bloom; prevailing effect red (Hedrick 1922). Lowther (1914) gives color as yellow-red.
Dots. Numerous, yellow, distinct (Warder 1867); fawn-colored specks (Elliott 1865; Downing 1900); many, distinct, conspicuous, small to rather large, pale yellow or grayish, often submerged (Beach 1905); many, large, gray, very conspicuous (Budd-Hansen 1914); many, distinct, conspicuous, large, pale yellow or gray, often submerged (Hedrick 1922).
Flesh / Flavor. Yellowish white, sweet, "very good" (Elliott 1865). Yellow, breaking, juicy; flavor very sweet, rich; quality very good (Warder 1867). Yellowish, very tender and mellow, unusually sweet and rich; good to very good (Downing 1900). Yellowish, tender, sweet, rich, good second quality (Thomas 1903). Tinged with yellow, firm, fine, tender, juicy, very sweet; good to very good (Beach 1905). Yellow, tender, juicy, firm, rich, very sweet, very good (Budd-Hansen 1914). Yellow, firm, fine, tender, juicy, sweet; good to very good (Hedrick 1922). Lowther (1914) gives quality as good.
Core / Seeds. Core long, ovate; seeds imperfect (Elliott 1865). Core large, oval, closed, clasping the eye; seeds large (Warder 1867). Calyx tube rather large, long, cylindrical to narrow funnel-shape; stamens median; core small to medium, axile to somewhat abaxile; cells symmetrical but not uniformly developed, closed or slightly open; core lines clasping; carpels ovate to nearly roundish; seeds below medium, rather narrow, plump, acute (Beach 1905). Core closed, clasping; cells elliptical, slit; tube funnel-shaped; stamens median or basal; seeds short, plump (Budd-Hansen 1914). Calyx-tube large, long, cylindrical; stamens median; core small, axile or abaxile; cells symmetrical but not uniformly developed, closed or open; core-lines clasping; carpels ovate; seeds small, narrow, plump, acute (Hedrick 1922).
Season
October to February (Elliott 1865; Downing 1900; Beach 1905; Budd-Hansen 1914; Hedrick 1922). September to December (Warder 1867). Late autumn and early winter (Thomas 1903). Winter (Lowther 1914). Beach characterizes the season as midautumn to midwinter.
Uses
Baking and stock (Warder 1867). A showy sweet apple for market, profitable for stock feeding, and superior for cooking (Downing 1900). Both kitchen and market (Lowther 1914).
Subtypes / Variants
Not described in source.
Other
Not described in source.
Book Sources
Described in 8 period pomological works
- Beach, The Apples of New York Vol. 2 (1905)
- Warder, American Pomology: Apples (1867) — listed as Ramsdell's Red
- Budd & Hansen, Systematic Pomology (1914)
- Hedrick, Cyclopedia of Hardy Fruits (1922)
- Thomas, The American Fruit Culturist (1903)
- Downing, Fruits and Fruit Trees of America (1900) — listed as English Sweet
- Elliott, The Western Fruit Book (1865) — listed as English Sweet
- Lowther (ed.), Encyclopedia of Practical Horticulture (1914) — listed as Ramsdell's Sweet
Nursery Catalog Sources
Found in 3 catalogs (1901–1913) from Illinois
- Benjamin Buckman (personal inventory) , Farmingdale , Illinois — 1901 — listed as Ramsdell's Sweet
- Phoenix Nursery Company (W. E. Rossney , President; Sidney Tuttle, Vice-President), Bloomington , Illinois — 1904 — listed as Ramsdell's Sweet
- Benjamin Buckman (personal inventory) , Farmingdale , Illinois — 1913 — listed as Ramsdell's Sweet
View original book sources (8)
— F.R. Elliott, The Western Fruit Book (1865)English Sweeting.
Ramsdell's Sweeting, | Ramsdell's Red Pumpkin Sweet, | Avery Sweeting. Ramsdell's Sweet, | Red Pumpkin Sweet, |
Foreign. Tree, vigorous, upright, early, prolific bearer. Fruit, medium to large, oblong, tapering to the eye, green and rough in shade, dark red dotted with fawn specks, and with a blue bloom in sun; stem, short; cavity, narrow, angular, often a fleshy knob; calyx, with short stiff segments; basin, round, regular; core, long, ovate; seeds, imperfect; flesh, yellowish white, sweet; "very good." October to February.
— John A. Warder, American Pomology: Apples (1867)Ramsdell's Red.
Origin Connecticut. Tree vigorous, upright, many branches, productive, early bearer; Shoots slender, reddish; Foliage rather light green.
Fruit medium to large, oblong, regular, truncated; Surface smooth, yellow, hidden by bright red, mixed and striped; Dots numerous, yellow, distinct.
[Fig. 269.—Ramsdell's Red.]
Basin rather deep, abrupt, wavy; Eye small to medium, closed.
Cavity deep, acute, wavy; Stem medium to long, often red.
Core large, oval, closed, clasping the eye; Seeds large; Flesh yellow, breaking, juicy; Flavor very sweet, rich; Quality very good; Use, baking and stock; Season, September to December.
— A.J. Downing, The Fruits and Fruit Trees of America (1900)English Sweet.
Ramsdell's Sweet. Ramsdell's Sweeting. Hurlbut Sweet? Ramsdell's Red Pumpkin Sweet. Red Pumpkin Sweet. Avery Sweet. Randall's Red Winter.
This old variety is esteemed where grown for the large crops which it bears, and as a showy sweet apple for market, and profitable for stock feeding, as well as superior for cooking.
The tree is very vigorous, grows remarkably straight and upright, comes early into bearing, and yields every year enormously. Young shoots clear reddish brown, slightly grayish.
Fruit rather above medium size, oblong, regularly shaped, and tapering slightly towards the eye, dark red, dotted with fawn-colored specks, and covered with a blue bloom. Flesh yellowish, very tender and mellow, unusually sweet and rich. Good to very good. In weight the apple is light. October to February.
— John J. Thomas, The American Fruit Culturist (1903)Red Pumpkin Sweet. See Ramsdell's Sweet.
[Additional entry in this volume: "Ramsdell's Sweet", pp. 344–344]
Ramsdell's Sweet. (Ramsdell's Red Pumpkin Sweet.) Rather large, oblong, obscurely conical, regular; dark rich red, with a blue bloom; stalk short; basin rather deep, even; flesh yellowish, tender, sweet, rich, good second quality. Tree vigorous, upright, productive. Late autumn and early winter. Connecticut.
— S.A. Beach, The Apples of New York, Vol. 2 (1905)RAMSDELL SWEET.
References. 1. Mag. Hort., 4:47. 1838. 2. Manning and Ives, 1844:41. 3. Downing, 1845:137. 4. Mag. Hort., 12:475. 1846. 5. Thomas, 1849:161. 6. Cole, 1849:118. 7. Emmons, Nat. Hist. N. Y., 3:76. 1851. 8. Elliott, 1854:131. 9. Hooper, 1857:74. 10. Am. Pom. Soc. Cat., 1862. 11. Warder, 1867:664. fig. 12. Downing, 1869:163. 13. Fitz, 1872:121, 145. 14. Leroy, 1873:605. fig. 15. Barry, 1883:352. 16. Lyon, Mich. Hort. Soc. Rpt., 1890:296. 17. Bailey, An. Hort., 1892:247. 18. Burrill and McCluer, Ill. Sta. Bul., 45:337. 1896. 19. Farrand, Mich. Sta. Bul., 205:46. 1903. 20. Budd-Hansen, 1903:159. fig.
Synonyms. Avery Sweet (12, 14). Avery Sweeting (8). ENGLISH SWEET (12, 18). English Sweet (14, 15, 16, 20). ENGLISH SWEETING (4, 8). Hurlbut (14). Hurlbut Sweet (12). RAMSDALE'S SWEETING (9). RAMSDELL (14, 19). RAMSDELL'S RED (11). Ramsdell Red Sweet (18). RAMSDELL'S RED SWEETING (1). RAMSDELL SWEET (10, 15, 16, 17, 20). Ramsdell Sweet (3, 8, 12). RAMSDELL'S SWEETING (3, 5, 6, 7, 12, 13). Ramsdell's Sweeting (8, 14). RAMSDEL'S RED PUMPKIN SWEET (2). Ramsdel's Red Pumpkin Sweet (3, 5, 7, 8, 12). Randall's Red Winter (12, 14). Red Pumpkin Sweet (3, 8, 12). Red Pumpkin Sweeting (9). Reindell's Large (14).
This is an attractive red apple of good size and very good quality, in season from midautumn to midwinter. The tree is a pretty good grower and an early bearer, yielding some fruit annually or nearly annually, but in many cases it is not satisfactorily productive and the fruit is not very uniform in size and quality, so that there is a considerable loss from unmarketable fruit. Not recommended for commercial planting in New York.
Historical. This variety was first brought to notice by being exhibited before the Massachusetts Horticultural Society by the Rev. H. S. Ramsdell, Thompson, Conn., and was named Ramsdell's Red Sweeting in compliment to him (1). Downing described it in 1845 (3) under the name Ramsdell's Sweeting, but in the 1869 edition (12) it was described under the name English Sweet, the name previously recognized by Elliott (8) but upon what authority we have been unable to learn. In 1862 (10) it was entered on the catalogue of the American Pomological Society under the name Ramsdell Sweet which name has been retained in that catalogue up to the present time. It is also commonly catalogued by nurserymen under the name Ramsdell or Ramsdell Sweet (17).
Tree. Tree medium size, vigorous or moderately vigorous. Form upright, open. Twigs long, curved, moderately stout; internodes medium. Bark brown, streaked with heavy scarf-skin; slightly pubescent near tips. Lenticels scattering, small to medium, oval, raised. Buds medium size, plump, obtuse, free, pubescent.
Fruit. Fruit above medium, sometimes nearly large, somewhat variable in size, fairly uniform in shape. Form oblong conic to roundish conic, often somewhat elliptical and faintly ribbed. Stem short to medium in length, moderately slender, often red. Cavity acuminate, deep, rather broad, quite symmetrical, often with some stellate russet. Calyx small to medium, closed or slightly open; lobes narrow, acute to acuminate. Basin rather small, sometimes oblique, medium to rather deep, narrow to medium in width, abrupt, faintly furrowed and wrinkled. Skin thin, rather tough, smooth, yellow nearly overspread with attractive dark red, or entirely red with obscure splashes and stripes of carmine, overspread with blue bloom. Dots many, distinct, conspicuous, small to rather large, pale yellow or grayish, often submerged. Prevailing effect red, attractive. Calyx tube rather large, long, cylindrical to narrow funnel-shape. Stamens median. Core small to medium, axile to somewhat abaxile; cells symmetrical but not uniformly developed, closed or slightly open; core lines clasping. Carpels ovate to nearly roundish. Seeds below medium, rather narrow, plump, acute. Flesh tinged with yellow, firm, fine, tender, juicy, very sweet, good to very good. Season October to February.
[Additional entry in this volume: "ENGLISH SWEET", pp. 109–109]
ENGLISH SWEET.
Ramsdell or Ramsdell Sweet has been described by some leading pomologists under the name English Sweet. Ramsdell Sweet is the name accepted for this variety in the catalogue of the American Pomological Society, and it is generally known among nurserymen and fruit growers as Ramsdell or Ramsdell Sweet. For a description of this variety, the reader is referred to Ramsdell Sweet, page 175.
— J.L. Budd & N.E. Hansen, American Horticultural Manual, Part II: Systematic Pomology (1914)Ramsdell Sweet (English Sweet).—Origin, Connecticut; tree vigorous, upright, an early and heavy bearer.
Ramsdell Sweet.
Fruit above medium, regular, oblong, slightly tapering, truncated; surface smooth, yellow, almost wholly covered with solid dark red, with indistinct stripes and splashes, with blue bloom; dots many, large, gray, very conspicuous; cavity regular, deep, acute, with large stellate russet patch; stem short, medium or long, often red; basin narrow, abrupt, nearly smooth; calyx half open; segments erect convergent. Core closed, clasping; cells elliptical, slit; tube funnel-shaped; stamens median or basal; seeds short, plump; flesh yellow, tender, juicy, firm, rich, very sweet, very good. October to February,
— Granville Lowther (ed.), Encyclopedia of Practical Horticulture (1914)Ramsdell's Sweet. Size: medium. Form: oblate. Color: yellow-red. Quality: good. Use: both kitchen and market. Season: winter.
— U.P. Hedrick, Cyclopedia of Hardy Fruits (1922)RAMSDELL SWEET.
Hurlbut. Ramsdell's Red. Red Pumpkin Sweet.
Ramsdell Sweet was once popular because of the handsome red color and good quality of the apples, which, however, are not uniform in size or shape. The trees are not fruitful enough to give the variety value for commercial plantations. Ramsdell Sweet was brought to notice by Rev. H. S. Ramsdell, Thompson, Connecticut, about 1838. Its culture is confined to the East and North.
Tree vigorous, upright, open. Fruit medium or large, variable in size, uniform in shape, oblong-conic or round-conic, often elliptical and faintly ribbed; stem short, slender, often red; cavity acuminate, deep, broad, symmetrical, often russeted; calyx small, closed or open; lobes narrow, abrupt; basin faintly furrowed and wrinkled; skin thin, tough, smooth, yellow, overspread with dark red, with obscure splashes and stripes of carmine, overspread with bloom; dots many, distinct, conspicuous, large, pale yellow or gray, often submerged; prevailing effect red; calyx-tube large, long, cylindrical; stamens median; core small, axile or abaxile; cells symmetrical but not uniformly developed, closed or open; core-lines clasping; carpels ovate; seeds small, narrow, plump, acute; flesh yellow, firm, fine, tender, juicy, sweet; good to very good; October to February.